Getting back on subject, Enterprise wasn't perfect and I actually ended up enjoying it far more when I went back an rewatched the entire series recently on Netflix than I did when it originally aired, but they respected for the most part what had come before. They made sure the technology within reason didnt look like it came from the 24th century or beyond. They designed the ship so it felt more like a cramped submarine and not bigger than the Constitution Class ships let alone a Galaxy class starship. They used things like shuttle pods because the transporters were still new. In other words they went to great lengths to fit the time period the show was supposed to have taken place in. Discovery didn't do that. You can have modern FX without making things look more futuristic than the time period it's supposed to take place in. At least with the Chris Pine movies they were smart enough to make it an alternate universe so they could have more freedom and not be bound so much by continuity. That was not the case with Discovery. Again putting them in the distant future was the best thing they could have done with the show. I don't know if they will be able to do anything with it but at least now going forward they can do their own thing.
Also keep it on topic. I don't care who started it, if you can't have a discussion without attacking someone then refrain from posting. If you like the new shows, great if you don't also great. Either way your likely not going to change someone's mind on the subject. We each watch these things with different perspectives, viewpoints and expectations or perhaps some with no expectations at all.
On 9/10/2020 at 12:45 PM, jlavaia said:what continuity was crapped on? nothing canon has ever been made from that time period and nothing inthe show made something that came later not have happened.
There is to much to try and explain it all. There has been plenty of cannon established before and after Discovery that Discovery just crapped on IMO. Just off the top of my head having holodecks, holographic communications and the big one, being able to traverse anywhere in the universe in a blink of an eye. The bridge of Discovery looks like it's bigger than a 24th century Galaxy Glass ship as do their quarters. Kilingons having cloaking technology which didnt happen until they traded their ship designs with the Romulans during TOS. The looks of the Kilingons. Like I say they manage to do some damage control in season 2 to try and gloss over the crap that was season 1 but sending them into the distant future was probably the best thing they could do for that show.
11 minutes ago, jlavaia said:is there a book or manual you clowns get this stuff from cause you all post it the same way?
I was just about to ask you the same thing.
28 minutes ago, jlavaia said:they werent really operating in the open either. lets be real here, one ship and starfleet high commandknew about them and they had authority only cause starfleet was at war and this comes from section 31 appearance in enterprise. remember discovery the ship was highly classified itself and basically worked under section 31.
and dont see the issues with my 2 questions there. 1st sentence is asking why you assume a newly promoted captain would have access to the types of contacts associated with the most classified department of starfleet. the 2nd is stating that you have no clue what occured off screen. no one does. we can guess and theorize but we just dont know and probaly never will know. and thats the whole thing, youre saying that discovery "crapped on continuity" cause it went against what you perceive occured off screen.
I've tried very hard to be civil and never insulting, despite little jabs from you here and there, but I have to say that you have some serious issues with reading comprehension.
20 minutes ago, jlavaia said:why do you assume that low ranking officers and diplomats would hear rumors about a secret branch of starfleet that operates behind the scenes at the highest levels? and now knowing what we know from discovery makes it even less likely that the secret would get out.
we also dont know that sisko didnt hear of any rumors. we only know what he told julian. in your mind you have what you assume to have occured off screen as fact and unfortunately if it didnt happen on screen it didnt actually occur with regards to the canon of this franchise.
I don't assume anything at all, necessarily. All of it works better had they not been operating in the open, even as far back as 120 years earlier. That's what I said before. Again. Circles. BTW, you should reread the last sentence of your first and second paragraphs there. Also other captains are not "low ranking officers." Done with this now.
10 minutes ago, jlavaia said:exactly, and not one of those of people is even remotely high up in the command chain of starfleet and definitely not high enough up to have the kind of clearance necessary to know about section 31, especially after what happened in discovery. the highest ranking person he couldve gone to wouldve been admiral ross and he was involved with section 31 so he wouldve lied to him. which is something else your not thinking of. youre assuming that everyone sisko contacted was truthful with him. and sisko was not a high ranking or fast rising officer. he was only a captain for what, maybe 4 years. he definitely didnt have the types of contacts that would have the knowledge of section 31 he was looking for.
Remember what I said about rumors? No? Screw it. This is starting to go in circles.
11 hours ago, jlavaia said:as for section 31and sisko, if you remember ds9, sisko was never really up on anything and didnt have alot of contact with anyone outside theshow. who would he ask for information?
I remember Deep Space Nine very well. Do you? Sisko isn't Neelix. He was a Starfleet captain with a career spanning over twenty years, less than seven of which were spent on the station. He could talk to people he knew from Starfleet Academy, people he served with at his first posting in New Berlin on the moon, people he served with on the USS Livingston, people he served with on the USS Okinawa, other survivors from the USS Saratoga, people he served with at the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards, people he knew at Starfleet headquarters, diplomats he surely met through his friendship with Curzon Dax, civilian contacts he would have on Earth (friends and family), multiple friends and acquaintances mentioned serving as commanders and captains on other Starfleet ships, people he met at multiple conferences and stuff, etc.
7 minutes ago, mako said:That's because THOSE shows were Star Trek. They didn't need any more than that.
Yeah, I'm definitely not a fan of the dump as much crap as possible into the Star Trek boat until it completely sinks approach.
On 9/8/2020 at 11:50 PM, Satam said:This is the first time Star Trek has ever had more than two new shows at the same time. DS9 overlapped with TNG and with Voyager, but Voyager didn't air until 1995, a year after TNG ended.
That's because THOSE shows were Star Trek. They didn't need any more than that.
