On 10/20/2022 at 6:03 PM, MrWolf12000 said:I agree with JayC I dont see this getting better. IMO it seems Hasbro has made their priority wall street over the consumer and as a result both are suffering.
For years now ive discussed a "toypocalypse" with my friends.
I thought we would get to 2030 before it got too expensive to be sustainable from both manufacturer and consumer standpoints but this past year has accelerated that timeline greatly.
With only 3 major retailers in the US (target walmart amazon), Hasbro holding the license to the vast majority of recognizable brands (in the action figure space at least) distrubution issues out the ass, the rising cost of raw materials and the shipping containers to get the finished product overseas coupled with the fact that these items while awesome are completely inessential I think by 2026 the hobby as we know it wont look the same at retail and sure as hell wont be affordable.
All opinion but looking at patterns thats what I see from my vantage point. I hope im wrong and if im not, they at least finish the 90s X Teams lol
Yeah if they don't learn that happy consumers buying more is how they can get their stocks up I don't know what is gonna happen. Blaming it on the economy is valid to a point but their insane practices are helping make it worse. I just need them to finish the mini before they implode
On 10/20/2022 at 12:23 PM, Satam said:@AvengerK2 and @kILLMonger Both of you guys knock it off. Disagreeing is fine, but this is starting to cross the line into fighting territory. I suggest you put each other on ignore and move on to other threads. @Emummy and others, stay on topic, please.
All good....
I agree with JayC I dont see this getting better. IMO it seems Hasbro has made their priority wall street over the consumer and as a result both are suffering.
For years now ive discussed a "toypocalypse" with my friends.
I thought we would get to 2030 before it got too expensive to be sustainable from both manufacturer and consumer standpoints but this past year has accelerated that timeline greatly.
With only 3 major retailers in the US (target walmart amazon), Hasbro holding the license to the vast majority of recognizable brands (in the action figure space at least) distrubution issues out the ass, the rising cost of raw materials and the shipping containers to get the finished product overseas coupled with the fact that these items while awesome are completely inessential I think by 2026 the hobby as we know it wont look the same at retail and sure as hell wont be affordable.
All opinion but looking at patterns thats what I see from my vantage point. I hope im wrong and if im not, they at least finish the 90s X Teams lol
@AvengerK2 and @kILLMonger Both of you guys knock it off. Disagreeing is fine, but this is starting to cross the line into fighting territory. I suggest you put each other on ignore and move on to other threads. @Emummy and others, stay on topic, please.
2 hours ago, kILLMonger said:Man that Hatut Zeraze is a good fig...but it's missing a few things to really put it over the line...goggles, vest, and weapons...hell it would have even worked as a Kasper Cole or Hunter fig with just a bit more effort. It gives...untapped potential and at 25 bucks...yeah it stings.
I'm curious what I can do with him once he is in hand. Like if I add Viper goggles and other classified weapons. If I was any good about customizing or kit bashing and could safely take the vest gear off of the Cobra Officer, I definitely could see his gear on the Hatut Zeraze to push him closer to what you are thinking.
Your ignorance seems to be surpassed only by your arrogance. "Increased price sensitivity" is across the board not just Hasbro sales. It simply is saying that consumers are thinking twice about buying items as they become more expensive. You yourself mewed about your reluctance to buy two figures approaching $50 earlier. That's called what? Price sensitivity? You proved Hasbros statement about price sensitivity correct without realizing it. They also cite inflationary costs as the reason for raising prices. Are you saying those inflationary costs don't exist? They do I assure you. I don't think your put down of my statement was the flex you think it was.
42 minutes ago, Emummy said:I love the windowless packaging. Although I keep my classified boxes, breaking down the new marvel legends boxes for recycling is super easy barely and in convenience. I freaking love the paper ties and the wax paper bag that the figure comes in which I use for figures I dont have on display. I love that there isnt a wasteful vac plastic surrounding the figure and a plastic window that I have to tear off the cardboard.Im keeping to mostly MCU figures and have a bunch of spider-man line stuff and x-men. As for quality, I have most of the Atuma BAF wave now and the quality of Okoyes face is frankly the best Ive seen in Marvel Legends. Its likeness to the actor is incredible. Hell, even Everett Ross and Namor look great. Compared to actor likeness from even just the Love and Thunder wave the head sculpts and print application of the face of the Wakanda wave blow out past face likenesses out of the water. I have it on display with the rerelease of the the Chadwick Boseman face Black Panther and he looks kind of ridiculous in comparison. So much so that I decided to get the rest of the wave Nakia and Herat Zeraze just to see the better Lupita Nyongo face and at that point decided I might as well finish the BAF. Im done with one to rock and one to stock as a collector. Life is too short for me now and I want enjoy these figures on display. F the boxes.
Man that Hatut Zeraze is a good fig...but it's missing a few things to really put it over the line...goggles, vest, and weapons...hell it would have even worked as a Kasper Cole or Hunter fig with just a bit more effort. It gives...untapped potential and at 25 bucks...yeah it stings.
I love the windowless packaging. Although I keep my classified boxes, breaking down the new marvel legends boxes for recycling is super easy barely an inconvenience. I freaking love the paper ties and the wax paper bag that the figure comes in which I use for figures I dont have on display. I love that there isnt a wasteful vac plastic surrounding the figure and a plastic window that I have to tear off the cardboard.Im keeping to mostly MCU figures and have a bunch of spider-man line stuff and x-men. As for quality, I have most of the Atuma BAF wave now and the quality of Okoyes face is frankly the best Ive seen in Marvel Legends. Its likeness to the actor is incredible. Hell, even Everett Ross and Namor look great. Compared to actor likeness from even just the Love and Thunder wave the head sculpts and print application of the face of the Wakanda wave blow out past face likenesses out of the water. I have it on display with the rerelease of the the Chadwick Boseman face Black Panther and he looks kind of ridiculous in comparison. So much so that I decided to get the rest of the wave Nakia and Herat Zeraze just to see the better Lupita Nyongo face and at that point decided I might as well finish the BAF. Im done with one to rock and one to stock as a collector. Life is too short for me now and I want enjoy these figures on display. F the boxes.
22 hours ago, JayC said:The biggest reasons given for Hasbro missing expectations for Q3 were of course inflation and increasing price sensitivity as Hasbro raised their prices to try and offset their increasing costs from the rising inflation.
10 hours ago, AvengerK2 said:No one with understanding with what's driving the cost up and forcing the consumer to prioritize spending is "blaming the poors".
It's literally in the report (quoted to help you out). It is "blaming the poors." Literally, unabashedly, and without candor. Not the lack of product on the shelves, poor case packs (looking at you Cosmos), minimum accessories, marginal BAFs, poor distribution of exclusives, price gouging (Haslab Ghost Rider, price hikes on various lines)...it was "increasing price sensitivity." Blaming. The. Poors. No one with understanding would try to clean up what Hasbro said out of their own mouths. Yet here we are...did they promise you a Haslab Razorcrest if you went places and defended them lol.
When your manufacturing and shipping costs have been raised by energy costs yours looking at an inflationary effect from origination to retail. It's important understand these price hikes are not demand driven they are supply side driven and start with energy cost. ALL non essential goods companies are seeing declines in sales as consumers hunker down and prioritize spending. Even McFarlane has said he has to raise prices at some point to meet his margins. Toys are a luxury not a necessity. No one with understanding with what's driving the cost up and forcing the consumer to prioritize spending is "blaming the poors". On the contrary you should blame our "betters". If you think this has peaked you're fooling yourself too. These supply side inflation price hikes go in roughly 90 day cycles as new orders are sent to manufacturers and inventory sold. Only inventory is sitting there and shipping has slowed down.